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Does God Require Circumcision?

Should the Followers of Yeshua be Circumcised?  



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Does the Gospel require circumcision?   The Gospel of the Nazirenes stated: And one asked Him, "Master, do you want infants to be received into the congregation as Moses commanded, by circumcision?" And Yeshua answered, "For those who are in Messiah there is no cutting of the flesh, nor shedding of blood.  Let the infant of eight days be presented to the Father-Mother, who is in heaven, with prayer and thanksgiving, and let a name be given to the child by its parents, and let the priestly attendant sprinkle pure water upon the child, according to the writings in the prophets. Let its parents see to it that it is brought up in the ways of righteousness, neither eating flesh, nor drinking strong drink, nor hurting the creatures which God has given into the hands of man to protect."  (see http://gospel.nazirene.org/gospel_ten.htm#chapter91


Does God Require Circumcision? 

The answer to this question is not so simple to answer.   Yet, in it's answer we can not only bridge the gap between Judaism and Christianity, but also open the door to the True Spiritual Torah and Word of God.   We can also begin to understand why the Ebionite/Nazirene disciples and followers of Yeshua condemned the man known as Paul of Tarsus -- who himself is erroneously viewed as anti-Jewish because it appears on the surface that he condemned the "letter that killeth".   And while it was said that the original followers of Yeshua observed the Torah, so too did the Essenes and they did not practice temple sacrifice and were vegetarian.  Thus, quoting from my article on The Law and TheWay  

It is the position of many Biblical researchers that most of the Old Testament comes from other, more ancient writings. Even Jewish writers admit that most of the Hebrew writings were merely taken freely from Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian, and even Greek sources. Horace Meyer Kallen, at one time a professor at the Jewish New School of Social Research, said that the Book of Job was lifted bodily from an early and obscure Greek play. Scientist and author Immanuel Velikovsky admitted that there are "many parallels" between the Vedic Hymns and the Books of Joel and Isaiah. Hebrew scholar Zecharia Sitchin claimed that the Book of Genesis is based on the Sumerian creation myth. The story of Noah comes from the Sumerian legend of Gilgamesh. The Psalms were taken word for word from Akhenaton's Hymns to the Sun, written 600 years earlier in Egypt. The Ten Commandments were taken wholly from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. And so on through the books of the Old Testament.

If this is true, then many informed researchers have asked: How can we call the Torah and other books of the Old Testament the Word of God?  The problem is that, while what these biblical researches have found is true, there is another whole dimension to the equation that they are totally unaware of -- a spiritual dimension that is simply beyond their ability to perceive.  

With respect to the literal meaning of the Torah and other scriptures the Apostle Paul wrote: "For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory.  For these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all" (Gal 4:22-26 KJV) 

To which I might pose the question: If the two sons of Abraham are an allegory depicting the reality of the flesh vs the reality of the spirit, then we must pose the question as to which part of the allegory is historically true?  It is not!  Moreover, if Paul writes that the Jerusalem of this world is the shadow City of God, and the one that is in spirit is the Genuine City of God, then which Jerusalem should we seek to journey to?

The people to whom the Torah was written, practiced circumcision -- and the enlightened authors of the Torah then used this custom to convey an important spiritual truth that was concealed within the allegory of the text.   An article that you will find very informative on this subject is No Jew Has Ever Read The Torah (see http://ebionite.com/Torah.htm ) where it is written: "Thus the tales related in the Torah are simply her outer garments, and woe to the man who regards that outer garb as the Torah itself, for such a man will be deprived of portion in the next world. Thus David said: 'Open Thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of Thy law' (Psalms 119:18), that is to say, the things that are underneath. See now. The most visible part of a man are the clothes that he has on, and they who lack understanding, when they look at the man, are apt not to see more in him than these clothes. In reality, however, it is the body of the man that constitutes the pride of his clothes, and his soul constitutes the pride of his body" (The Zohar; Edited by Gershom G. Scholem, Zohar- The Book of Splendor, Basic Readings from the Kabbalah [New York, Schocken Books, 1949]) -- thus, the most informed Jews warn other Jews that if they see only the written word "...will be deprived of portion in the next world"!   Why?  Because the True Torah of God is hidden beneath the letter of the written word.  

Why Were Biblical Texts Written In Allegory?

In the words of the Church Father Origen, the Word takes on a form that is appropriate to a certain group of people, that it might bring those people to a spiritual level of maturity: “If a Greek wished by wholesome instruction to benefit people who understood only Egyptian or Syriac, the first thing that he would do would be to learn their language; and he would rather pass for a Barbarian among the Greeks, by speaking as the Egyptians or Syrians, in order to be useful to them, than always remain Greek, and be without the means of helping them. In the same way the divine nature, having the purpose of instructing not only those who are reputed to be learned in the literature of Greece, but also the rest of mankind, accommodated itself to the capacities of the simple multitudes whom it addressed. It seeks to win the attention of the more ignorant by the use of language which is familiar to them, so that they may easily be induced, after their first introduction, to strive after an acquaintance with the deeper truths which lie hidden in Scripture. For even the ordinary reader of Scripture may see that it contains many things which are too deep to be apprehended at first; but these are understood by such as devote themselves to a careful study of the divine word, and they become plain to them in proportion to the pains and zeal which they expend upon its investigation” (Origen Contra Celsum).

This statement by Origen is of the utmost importance if we are to begin to comprehend the manner in which God reveals Himself to all peoples of the world.   The scriptures are written in the language and the culture of the people.   In order to benefit the Jews, the Divine Nature was revealed in the Old Testament scriptures in a manner that would be acceptable to the Jewish carnal mindset of the people in the time-frame they were composed.   What is today known as the New Testament, on the other hand, was written for the people of the New Covenant who were known as the Essenes, Ebionites and Nazarenes -- a spiritually mature and refined people who lived in the Light of the Most High.   And as the Gospel message found its way into the hands of the Gentiles, there were then literally hundreds of scriptures composed from the perspective of the Greek converts known as Christians -- and this was how such Greek symbols as the virgin birth found their way into the scriptures, whereas the originals used by the Ebionite/Nazirenes did not contain these things (see http://ebionite.com ).  

In many instances, these scriptures that were published by the Gentile Christians such as Pistis Sophia, did not even retain a connection with the Jewish heritage of the Gospel.   But should they have?   Is God Jewish?   In the Old Testament the Divine Nature that Origen makes reference to, incorporates the language of the people in order to develop the people to whom it was written.   The authors of the scriptures were the historical Essenes who, in the words of Origen, “would rather pass for a Barbarian… in order to be useful to them”.   Unlike the Sadducees and Pharisees, the Essenes did not slaughter animals for the redemption of sin in the temple -- neither did they eat only certain kinds of animals, because they were vegetarians and embraced a spiritual lifestyle that was free from the defilements of this world.  

Why did they write the scriptures in the manner that we observe in the Old Testament?   Because the carnal Jews had been for a long time sacrificed animals to the gods -- and by sacrificing only to the One God, in the One Temple, and only sacrificing certain animals that represented higher symbols in the consciousness of man, they were able to begin the process of preparing barbarians to embrace the teachings of The Way.   Moreover, they were successful -- i.e., the Old Testament moral law and symbolism incorporates concealed mysteries that pertain to man's spiritual nature and his relationship to God which the average person whose mindset is imbued with our modern culture would be unable to even conceive of.

In much the same manner, the Gentile converts created scriptures that basically performed the same function -- i.e., they made the Divine Nature acceptable and perceptible to the people of the Nations.   Jesus became severed from his original Hebrew foundation, and became more universal in his appeal to the mind of the Greeks and Romans.   Though these scriptures were successful in their purpose to transform the Greek convert into a Spiritual Christian, they presented another problem.   Regardless of the level of their spiritual revelation, because they could not be used in an historical sense, they were later condemned by the Roman Church.   In view of the fact that the Gentile Christians had no relationship to Judaism, the leaders of these movements wrote their scriptures in the language and culture of the Gentiles, which meant that there was little or no connection to either the Old or New Testament writings that we have today.

In each case, the scriptures were written to reveal the Divine Nature in a way the people could accept.   A common thread to all the sacred writings, though, was the fact that the body of the scriptures contained many points that were NOT historically accurate or true.   Why?   Because the Divine Nature is not Jewish, Greek, Roman, or of any other worldly culture -- and, like the scriptures, the body of man is just the tip of the iceberg in relation to the totality of his being.   Therefore, both the body of the scriptures, as well as the body of man, always points to -- and is dependent upon -- a mental (soul) and spiritual nature that is not perceived with the physical senses.  

By Divine Providence, everything in this world -- which is the body or physical embodiment -- is always incomplete without the higher spheres of mind and spirit.   In the same way that the concept of male and female can only be defined by their relationship to each other, nothing in the body can be explained without its interconnected soul/mental and spiritual natures.   Throughout all of life there is a Divine Pattern: In the same way that the organic life chain of this world begins with the sun (spirit), the atmosphere (mind), and the physical manifestation of life (body), this same pattern exists within each of us and throughout all of Creation.  

The “correct… understanding of the Scriptures, and the investigation of their meaning, we consider to be of the following kind” writes Origen, “for we are instructed by Scripture itself in regard to the ideas which we ought to form of it”.   Origen then goes on to explain that: “In the Proverbs of Solomon we find… the following laid down, respecting the consideration of holy Scripture: 'And do thou,' he says, 'describe these things to thyself in a threefold manner, in counsel and knowledge, and that thou mayest answer the words of truth to those who have proposed them to thee.’”   Scripture, then, is patterned after all of creation, and exists in a threefold manner -- i.e., body, mind and spirit.

Origen then goes on to state: “Each one, then, ought to describe in his own mind, in a threefold manner, the understanding of the divine letters -- that is, in order that all the more simple individuals may be edified, so to speak; by the very body of Scripture; for such we term that common and historical sense: while, if some have commenced to make considerable progress, and are able to see something more (than that), they may be edified by the very soul of Scripture. Those, again, who are perfect, and who resemble those of whom the apostle says, 'We speak wisdom among them that are perfect, but not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, who will be brought to naught; but we speak the wisdom of God, hidden in a mystery, which God hath decreed before the ages unto our glory’”.  

The carnal man, then, sees only the body of the scriptures -- which body instructs him in the proper lifestyle to embrace in order to make spiritual progress.   In our analysis we must ask the question: Does the carnal Christian believe that he knows the Word of God?   From his perception, everything that he believes can be demonstrated by reading the Bible in its literal sense.  If he did not believe it, he would quickly abandon what is written, and the moral and spiritual lessens contained in the literal word of the text could have no lasting and beneficial effect upon him.   Therefore, it is the Will of God that he believes -- and it is the Hand of God upon his heart and mind that causes him to proclaim the truth of the Gospel that he perceives.   God desires Jews to believe the literal word of the Torah.  God desires the Christians to believe the literal word of the New Testament.   Yet, the great reality that the majority of both groups fail to comprehend, is that the scriptures were designed so that each person would easily see their own system of beliefs in the written word.   From a spiritual perspective, what the average Jew or Christian believes about the Mysteries of Creation that is beyond his understanding is not important at that point in his life.   What is important, is that he begin the process of cleansing and surrendering to the Light of the Word.  

In view of the fact that all carnal perceptions of the scriptures are equally very partial and incomplete, does it really matter from the Divine Perspective which flavor of incompleteness he embraces?   From one perspective the answer is no -- and from another perspective, there is a necessary and good reason why each man views both the Bible and life itself from a different point of view.

Whom Will Be Drawn From The Breasts?
Isa 28:9-10
"Whom will he teach knowledge? 

And whom will he make to understand the message? 

Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts?
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, 

line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little."

The person who progresses beyond the (Jewish/Christian) religion of the simple faith which is the milk of the Torah/Gospel, and becomes a disciple in the beginning of his walk with the Lord, seeks the spiritual Manna (knowledge/gnosis) or mind of the scripture that he might learn The Way” by which he can enter the Kingdom.   And further along the path, those who have ceased to be of this world -- those who no longer live in slavery to sin and carnal desire -- and have themselves entered the kingdom and are walking in “The Way” of the Lord, are those who perceive the spirit of the scriptures.  

With this foundation laid, Origen then explains that: “…all such as these may be edified by the spiritual law itself (which has a shadow of good things to come), as if by the Spirit. For as man is said to consist of body, and soul, and spirit, so also does sacred Scripture, which has been granted by the divine bounty for the salvation of man”.   The scriptures are universal -- and are made for the salvation of all men.   The carnal sees the physical laws of God -- the disciple sees The Way -- the perfected soul sees God and the Divine Nature that manifests throughout all of Creation.

Origen then observes this same great truth being conveyed in an early Christian scripture known as the Shepherd of Hermas, and he writes: “Hermas is commanded to write two little books, and afterwards to announce to the presbyters of the Church what he learned from the Spirit. For these are the words that are written: 'And you will write,' he says, 'two books; and you will give the one to Clement, and the other to Grapte. And let Grapte admonish the widows and orphans, and let Clement send through all the cities which are abroad, while you will announce to the presbyters of the Church.' Grapte, accordingly, who is commanded to admonish the orphans and widows, is the pure understanding of the letter itself; by which those youthful minds are admonished, who have not yet deserved to have God as their Father, and are on that account styled orphans. They, again, are the widows, who have withdrawn themselves from the unjust man, to whom they had been united contrary to law; but who have remained widows, because they have not yet advanced to the stage of being joined to a heavenly Bridegroom. Clement, moreover, is ordered to send into those cities which are abroad what is written to those individuals who already are withdrawing from the letter -- as if the meaning were to those souls who, being built up by this means, have begun to rise above the cares of the body and the desires of the flesh; while he himself, who had learned from the Holy Spirit, is commanded to announce, not by letter nor by book, but by the living voice, to the presbyters of the Church of Christ, i.e., to those who possess a mature faculty of wisdom, capable of receiving spiritual teaching”.

When James/Jacob, the brother of Yeshua/Jesus writes that: “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world” (James 1:27 NIV), he is not saying that pure religion is to look after the wives and children of those whose father has died.   While this is good for the people of the simple faith, the deeper meaning of widows and orphans indicate those believers who are still carnal in nature.   It is these believers who see only the letter -- or body -- of the scriptures, of which Origen writes whose “youthful minds are admonished, who have not yet deserved to have God as their Father, and are on that account styled orphans”.   With regard to widows Origen writes: “They, again, are the widows, who have withdrawn themselves from the unjust man, to whom they had been united contrary to law; but who have remained widows, because they have not yet advanced to the stage of being joined to a heavenly Bridegroom”.   The unjust man is the citizen of the far country in the parable of the prodigal son -- i.e., the god of this world.

Thus, widows and orphans do not represent widows and orphans in accordance with our understanding of these terms -- but rather, they represent stages of spiritual growth.   Moreover, because of our modern politically correct mindset where the Bible is at time viewed as sexist, in these words we must perceive that the term widows is used with respect to both men and women.   We can never get a right sense of either the scriptures, or life, until we begin to realize that all of us are reflective with respect to our soul, and therefore we are often rightfully portrayed in the feminine gender.

In the words of James/Jacob: Pure religion consecrated by the Father is for the disciple to be of the spirit, minister to the orphans and widows, while keeping oneself “unspotted from the world” (KJV).   Unspotted denotes that condition where one has absolutely no part of the world, with the exception of ones manifestation as a spiritual presence.   It is these unspotted individuals who are those who have been reborn into the spirit, and have totally manifested the Light of Christ in their lives.

Widows and orphans see only the body of the scriptures, and are yet carnal believers who the Apostle Paul describes as the Christians of the simple faith.   We can see the next stage of development in Origen's words as he describes those who are more mature: “Clement, moreover, is ordered to send into those cities which are abroad what is written to those individuals who already are withdrawing from the letter -- as if the meaning were to those souls who, being built up by this means, have begun to rise above the cares of the body and the desires of the flesh”.   Those who are abroad are the people who have transversed the sea of spiritual cleansing, and have risen above the “cares of the body and the desires of the flesh”.   It is these men and women who have consecrated their lives in the pursuit of Truth, that will see the mind of the scriptures in their quest to walk in The Way.

With regard to the more mature in Messiah/Christ, Origen writes of Hermas: “…while he himself, who had learned from the Holy Spirit, is commanded to announce, not by letter nor by book, but by the living voice, to the presbyters of the Church of Christ, i.e., to those who possess a mature faculty of wisdom, capable of receiving spiritual teaching”.   The name Hermas means the “messenger” -- thus it is only the spiritual Jews and Christians who are able to hear the Shepherd -- or in the Shepherd of Hermas, the Living voice of Messiah/Christ.   Clement means merciful -- and it is only those who are themselves walking in The Way, who receive the mercy of the Lord.   The widows and orphans -- or those believers who remain of the flesh and see only the letter of the scriptures and the exoteric doctrine or good news of the Christ -- must spiritually mature in order to begin to receive from the Lord, perceive the Gospel of God, and enter the Kingdom.

Returning once again to the writings of Clement, we can now see that Peter's explanation should make perfect sense in the confrontation that is to take place with Simon Magus: “Therefore Simon, who is going to discuss in public with us tomorrow, is bold against the monarchy of God, wishing to produce many statements from these Scriptures, to the effect that there are many gods, and a certain one who is not He who made this world, but who is superior to Him; and, at the same time, he is going to offer many scriptural proofs. But we also can easily show many passages from them that He who made the world alone is God, and that there is none other besides Him”.  Thus, it is foretold that each side will be able to prove their dogma with many scriptural passages.   Simon will be able to prove that the world was created by a false god -- and Peter will be able to prove that the world was created by the One God.   Both will be able to use the same scriptures to prove their assertions.   This inherent design of scripture is by Divine Providence that each person sees in the body of the writings confirmation of their own beliefs.  

Peter then goes on to state that: “But if any one shall wish to speak otherwise, he also shall be able to produce proofs from them at his pleasure. For the Scriptures say all manner of things, that no one of those who inquire ungratefully may find the truth, but simply what he wishes to find, the truth being reserved…” for the disciple who can only learn the correct meaning of the scriptures from the Shepherd and True Prophet.  

During their discussion, Simon became hostile when Peter refused to engage in his interpretation of the scriptures and said: “Then said Simon: 'You are manifestly avoiding the hearing of the charge from the Scriptures against your God.' Then Peter: 'You yourself appear to me to be doing this; for he who avoids the order of inquiry, does not wish a true investigation to be made. Hence I, who proceed in an orderly manner, and wish that the writer should first be considered, am manifestly desirous to walk in a straight path’”.

In these words are noted the most profound error of Bible readers today who only perceive what is literally written in the narrative of the written word.   Believers see and read the scriptures in the manner of their doctrines, while ignoring the very warning of the scriptures that it is their own perception of the Word that is in error.   Simon wants to engage Peter and use the scriptures to prove that the world was created by a lesser god.   Peter states that anyone can prove almost any doctrine by using the scriptures -- and therefore, before the scriptures can be understood, the “writer should first be considered” -- meaning that the reader must look past their own opinions and beliefs, and perceive the inner meaning conveyed by the writer.  

That Peter's warning is correct, is overwhelmingly proven by the modern church.   Many very intelligent minds and astute biblical students have studied the scriptures and continue to hold conflicting opinions that oppose what the next person sees very clearly represented in the Bible.   Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God -- and they can demonstrate their doctrine in the bible.   Baptists, Pentecostals, and most other Evangelical Christians believe that Jesus is God, and they have a whole host of biblical citations to prove their doctrines.   The Mormons believe in the pre-existence of the soul.   The Quakers have no formal doctrine, and believe only in the revelation of the inner Light.   Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, this Orthodox, that Orthodox, this Church of God, the Universalists, the Reformers, the all inclusive Liberals, the Conservatives, etc., all faithfully read the scriptures, and all find important points of disagreement.   The Episcopalians ordain homosexuals as bishops, and the conservatives in their own church condemn the liberal Episcopalians as heretics.   What we must begin to understand is that many of these people are very intelligent and sincere believers -- and yet they all see something different when they read the scriptures.   Their flaw is not in what they see -- but like Simon, they all failed to heed Peter's words when he warned that the “writer should first be considered” -- and if the writer is the Holy Spirit, then it is the interpretation that this writer teaches that is the only true meaning.

If what the early church authorities say is true, and any number of doctrines and dogma can be proven using the same scriptures, then the reader must learn to relinquish personal interpretation.   What, then, is the answer?   The genuine revelation of the scriptures can only be learned from the True Prophet as to the correct meaning of the narrative.  “Hence, O beloved Clement”, proclaims Peter, “if you would know the things pertaining to God, you have to learn them from Him alone, because He alone knows the truth. For if any one else knows anything, he has received it from Him or from His disciples”.   These words -- that you can only learn the things of God from Him alone -- are as true today as when Peter spoke them to his disciple Clement in the first century.

Modern Christians who are in search of the correct doctrine to believe in, are aghast and horrified at the thought that the Bible was purposely designed so that anyone could prove almost any doctrine by using the scriptures -- or that the scriptures contain narratives that are not historically accurate.   Modern believers will rightly ask: If what is written in the scriptures is not a faithful portrayal of the historical events that transpired, then of what value are they?   This type of thinking is carnal, and is the result of anti-Gnostic thinking -- i.e., tell me what to believe, so I can be on the right side of God.   The problem is that man can never be on the right side of God, until he returns home to the Kingdom.   Belief, or faith, then, is not part of the equation where these things are independent of man's efforts to walk in The Way.   If you do not pick up your own cross, and follow in the footsteps of the Lord, then you are neither a believer, or a person of faith.

In the words of Origen, those who demand historical accuracy do not understand the very purpose of the scriptures -- they have yet to “withdraw themselves from the unjust man”, and are still carnal and under the power of this world.   As believers, they are orphans, and not yet even considered widows.   They may proclaim they are chosen -- saved -- they may even wear the garb of a priest, minister, rabbi, or other clergy -- but they have yet to begin the process of spiritual maturity.   The disciple knows that in order to draw nearer to God, they must possess Spiritual Truth -- and truth can only be found in the mind and spirit of both the scriptures and the Kingdom within themselves.

What man must come to terms with is that reality only exists in the Kingdom -- the world in which we presently dwell is only a shadow of reality; and by virtue of its incompleteness, is an illusion.   The scriptures were not written to comfort the believer during their stay in this world.   The scriptures were not written to confirm tradition, or to verify ones doctrines of belief.   What the scriptures were written for was to provide the disciples with the keys to escape this world and enter the kingdom.   The scriptures speak of life in our present realm of existence as being a state of death, because we dwell in the world of incompleteness and illusion.   From the vision of spiritual reality: We literally dwell in the realm of allegorical appearances.   The scriptures -- though not always historically accurate -- are real keys that provide the disciple with genuine truths in his spiritual quest.  

In conformation of what Origen said regarding the fact that in the narrative of the scriptures there exists many things that are not true, Peter said: “If, therefore, some of the Scriptures are true and some false, with good reason said our Master, 'Be ye good money-changers,' inasmuch as in the Scriptures there are some true sayings and some spurious. And to those who err by reason of the false scriptures He fitly showed the cause of their error, saying, 'Ye do therefore err, not knowing the true things of the Scriptures; for this reason ye are ignorant also of the power of God.’”

In his celebrated work, De Principiis, Origen wrote concerning the factualness of the literal narrative of the scriptures: “Where the word found that things done according to the history could be adapted to these mystical senses, he made use of them concealing from the multitude the deeper meaning; but where in the narrative of the development of super-sensual things, there did not follow the performance of those certain events which were already indicated by the mystical meaning, the scripture interwove in the history the account of some event that did not take place, sometimes what could not have happened; sometimes what could but did not.”

What is Origen saying to us?   Where the Word found that using events from history could fulfill the purpose of the scriptures, the Word used these historical events, “concealing from the multitude the deeper meaning”.   In this respect, Jesus lived and taught the people the Royal Law of God and the means to gain entrance into the Kingdom.   These things are true.   But scripture is designed for a greater purpose than to inform us with respect to the past -- scripture is the handbook of those who desire to enter into Life.

What is the purpose of the scriptures?   Surely not to teach us about history -- how can history open the door to the Kingdom within us.   By placing spiritual truths in what appears to he an historical document, accomplishes the necessary task of putting the sacred truths of God in the hands of the people -- in a language they can understand and relate to -- even during that time when they are yet carnal, and unable to comprehend the Mysteries of God.   By writing the scriptures in this fashion, the carnal Jew could relate to the scriptures because the writings appeared -- on the surface -- to communicate and manifest a history of the people who were using them.   Yet, Origen warns that, even when the scriptures are historically accurate, there is concealed within the narrative a deeper meaning than what is grasped by the carnal reader.  

Was there a historical man named Jesus?   Yes -- but it is the Living Christ that will save you.   Because the scriptures are written for the purpose of assisting the disciples in finding the Christ, even when the scriptures are conveying historical truths pertaining to the Christ, the genuine message is still embedded within the body of the text.   Why?   Because the purpose of the scriptures is that of a guide and road map out of this world -- not to convey to us a system of doctrines in which we should blindly believe and remain immersed in lives of materialism.   So what does the symbol of circumcision mean from the perspective of the soul and spirit?   That is the circumcision that is required of both men and women.

In his Stromata, Clement of Alexandria writes: “now that the Savior has taught the Apostles, the unwritten rendering of the written, this has been handed down also to us”.   What Clement is stating is that it was Yeshua who taught his disciples the inner (soul/spiritual) meaning of the scriptures that the carnal Jews were blind to.   Clement explains that “the mysteries are delivered mystically, that what is spoken may be in the mouth of the speaker; rather not in the voice, but in his understanding”.  

In his search for Truth and Meaning, man is perpetually confronted by the path that leads to a higher understanding of the mysteries of life that Clement makes reference to -- but because man does not endeavor to properly prepare the mind to embrace spiritual reality, he continually rejects the higher path of knowledge and spiritual manifestation.   To overcome this stagnation, the scriptures are themselves designed to impede the literal perception of the written word -- and the more one reads and studies the Bible, the more difficult it is to believe the written word.   On this very issue, Origen is quoted pertaining to this biblical fact in the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics: “Scripture contains an unhistorical element in-woven with the history, in order that the worthlessness of the latter may drive us to seek the spiritual meaning”.

What does this mean?   “Scripture contains an unhistorical element in-woven with the history” -- or, there exists events reported in what, on the surface appears to be history, that never actually happened.   Why?  Why would the scriptures contain events that never physically happened?   In answer to this question Origen writes: “in order that the worthlessness of the latter may drive us to seek the spiritual meaning”.   What Origen is stating is that to read scripture as history is a worthless endeavor!   Why?   Because what happened during historical events of the past cannot save you -- you can only be saved by entering within the Kingdom and becoming a disciple of the Living Christ.   Yet Christians today not only read their scriptures solely as history, but unceasingly argue over their many interpretations of what Origen labels as being worthless.

In this respect, both Jews and Christians today are falling prey to the very trap that has been set by the literal word of the scriptures.   In the Clementine Homilies the Apostle Peter is found explaining the nature of scripture to his disciple Clement: “…consider with me that if any one, as he pleases, form a dogma agreeable to himself, and then carefully search the Scriptures, he will be able to produce many testimonies from them in favor of the dogma that he has formed”.   In considering this, Clement then asks Peter: “How, then, can confidence be placed in them against God, when what every man wishes is found in them?”

What Peter is stating is this great truth: All the many conflicting opinions, that all the sects of Christianity have argued about throughout all of Christian history, are the product of the design of the scriptures themselves.   As Peter warns, if anyone form a dogma, …and then carefully search the Scriptures, he will be able to produce many testimonies from them in favor of the dogma”.   In other words, no matter what you choose to believe, you will find in the scriptures conformation of your beliefs.   Why, we ask, would the Bible be written in such a convoluted manner?   Why not compose the scriptures so they make sense?   The answer can only be realized when we begin to comprehend the true problem.   If the scriptures were composed in such a manner so they made perfect sense, then it would be to the carnal mind that the body of the text would make sense to.   The purpose of the scriptures is to awaken the dormant part of the mind that corresponds to man's soul and spiritual nature -- thereby enabling the disciple to use a greater part of his potential of mind.  

The scriptures themselves are written from a universal perspective.   Therefore, the exoteric doctrine -- or milk of the scriptures -- is designed to prepare all mankind to walk in The Way.   If each person did not see their own personal mindset present in the writings, then the scriptures would be useless in their purpose of being the means to lead all men into the Kingdom.   Clement of Alexandria puts the whole problem into perspective when he quotes a passage of scripture that is no longer in our bibles today: “For by doing the will of God we know the will of God” (Stromata, Bk 1, Ch 8).   In the United States, only 5% of the Jews are Torah Observant -- so in not living the symbols and forms of the Torah, the majority of Jews make themselves apostates to the Torah.   In like manner, Christians who believe that the Law was nailed to the cross, and all that is needed is a profession of faith in the Jesus-god, never fulfill the requirement set forth by Clement in the words: “For by doing the will of God we know the will of God”

What we must begin to grasp is that the scriptures are created in a Divine Pattern that is beyond our very limited comprehension.   If all men see their own mindset and predetermined beliefs in the scriptures, and claim the scriptures as their source of spiritual truth, and then begin to incorporate the Commandments of God into their lives, then the scriptures will begin to mold them, and prepare them to receive the higher knowledge.   It is by design that the man who is a Jehovah's Witness sees his doctrine in the scriptures -- God wants it that way.   It is by design that the Baptist sees his -- that the Pentecostal or Seventh Day Adventist sees theirs -- and it is by design that even the Atheist sees his doctrine.  

Regardless of how many pamphlets the born again Christian publishes in an attempt to prove the doctrine of the Trinity, the Jehovah's Witness will continue to see their favorite passages of scripture that affirm their position that Jesus was not God.   In like manner, the sects that are considered more mainstream, will continue to use the Bible to prove that the other two groups are fundamentalist extremists.   Why? Because these mainstream groups are so attached to the philosophy and thinking of this world, that they would be incapable of a fundamentalist perception of life and the Bible.  

The result is that each group uses the same book to prove the other group in error.   Why was the scriptures written in such a way?   Because the Bible is universal -- and though each of them embraces the Bible from a different doctrinal perspective, when they begin to do the will of God, they will then begin to know the Will of God -- and in the process of knowing and doing, the disciple begins the process of spiritual transformation.   How successful each one will be in their religious quest, will be in direct relation to how quickly each can shed their carnal mindset and limitations, and begin to truly come to the Lord in word, thought and deed.


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Reasons parents choose to circumcise their sons and why they're incorrect:
🚫 "Its cleaner." - Actually no, its not. The foreskin is fused to the glans until puberty leaving nothing to clean whatsoever until 10-12 years old. When it does detach around that time, you wash it like the rest of your body.
🚫 "It reduces the risk of UTI'S." - The risk reduction is LESS than 1%. Not significant enough to amputate healthy functioning tissue. Not to mention, that reduction only applies to infancy. Not adulthood. As adults, intact and circumcised males have the same risk of developing urinary tract infections.
*Allowing a circumcised bleeding penis to heal in a diaper full of urine and feces increases risk of infection.
🚫 "It reduces the risk of penile cancer." -Aside from the fact that the American Cancer Society has already spoken out about that not being true, let's pretend for a minute that it is. Penile cancer is already so rare, that your son has a better chance of developing breast cancer than he does of ever developing penile cancer. Penile cancer includes the shaft and glans. The foreskin makes absolutely no difference.
🚫 "It reduces the risk of STDs and HIV" - The only thing that prevents STDs are CONDOMS. Not circumcision. In actuality, the foreskin has been shown to have cells that act as part of the immune system in protecting against STDs.
🚫 "His penis should match his dad's." - Ew. No it shouldn't. Your son will never notice a difference in his and his dad's penis unless your family is keen on whipping it out at thanksgiving and comparing.
🚫 "Circumcised penises just look better." - All penises look the same when erect, intact or not. Aside from the fact that the glans on a circumcised male is keratinized and "dried out" therefore looking smaller than it really should. Not to mention pushing your sexual preferences on your son's body is pedophilia.
Now let's look at the facts:
✅ A baby boy dies every 2 days as a direct result of a non medically necessary circumcision.
✅ Thousands of men will suffer long term complications including meatitis, erectile dysfunction, painful erections, diminished sexual pleasure, rough jack-hammering sex on their partners to achieve orgasm and more.
✅ Over 250,000 men in the US are currently restoring their foreskin and wish they had been left intact from birth.
✅ Countless men as adults have sued their parents and practitioners for performing their circumcision without their consent as babies.
✅ The lack of foreskin will affect every circumcised male and their partner's intimate life. The glans are supposed to be moist and covered, not dried out and keratinized.
....Still think it's a good idea? If anyone has any questions and would like more information, feel free to message me.
This post is not meant to shame circumcised males or parents that made the decision to do so. It is meant to raise awareness & inform others of the risks. You can regret making the decision and share what you have learned so the cycle stops.
Most women and men are screaming women’s rights but yet cutting off their little boys body parts, where are their rights? Who will stand up for them? As mothers of boys, it's your responsibility to be their voice!
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Huge thanks to Tiffany Maillet and David Candela for putting this together!


ADDITIONAL information:
AMERICAN DOCTORS have convinced naive parents that it's normal to cut off part of a baby's penis. THE UNITED STATES is the only English-speaking nation whose doctors routinely tie down babies and cut off part of their penis. These doctors use crude propaganda to persuade American parents that it's in their child's best interest. In the rest of the world, where parents know better, the men grow to adulthood with intact genitals and scoff at any suggestion they cut part of it off. Let your son be a free man with a choice that is NOT yours to make.
Most circumcision damage doesn't show up until the boy becomes a sexually active man, and he may not know that amputation of part of his sex organ caused the damage. In either case, he most likely will not tell his parents.
"Circumcision fails to meet the commonly accepted criteria for the justification of preventive medical procedures in children." ~European Medical Community https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/131/4/796
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BJU INTERNATIONAL, Volume 83, Supplement 1, Pages 79-84,
January 1, 1999.


The effect of male circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner


CIRP note: The authors of this article have written a book entitled Sex As Nature Intended It. The book has a website at www.sexasnatureintendedit.com.


Male circumcision, the most commonly performed surgery in the USA, removes 33 - 50% of the penile skin, as well as nearly all of the penile fine touch neuroreceptors [1]. To date no study has investigated whether this dramatic alteration in the male genitalia affects the sexual pleasure experienced by the female partner or whether a woman can physically discern the difference between a penis with a foreskin. The impact that male circumcision has on the overall sexual experience for either partner is unknown.

Just as female circumcision was advocated in some Muslim and African countries to control women's sexuality, so too was male circumcision introduced into English-speaking countries in the late 1800s as a method of treating and preventing masturbation [2]. While there has been debate over whether circumcision affects the sexual sensations of the penis, there have been few relevant studies. Four men circumcised in adulthood reported decreased sensitivity [3]. Writing under a pseudonym, a physician circumcised as an adult argued that the loss of sensitivity he experienced was favourable, as it gave him more control over his orgasms [4]. Another man circumcised as an adult lamented that the decrease in sensation could be equated with seeing in monochrome rather than in colour.

Laumann et al. [5] found that circumcised men had different sexual practices from genitally altered men. Circumcised men were more likely to masturbate, to engage in heterosexual anal and oral sex, and to engage in homosexual anal sex. In the male rat, removal of the penile sheath markedly interferes with normal penile reflexes and copulation. When circumcised rats were paired with sexually experienced females, they had more difficulty obtaining an erection, more difficulty inserting the penis into the vagina, and required more mounts to inseminate than did unaltered males [6]. Preputial secretions in mice and rats are a strong attractant for female mice and rats [7-11], and may provoke the onset of oestrus in mature females [12].

There may be a histological explanation for these findings. The tip of the foreskin, and some or all of the frenulum, are routinely removed as part of circumcision. This tissue contains a high concentration of the nerve endings that sense fine touch [1]. After circumcision, the surface of the glans thickens like a callus. The glans is innervated by free nerve endings that can only sense deep pressure and pain. [13]. Over 30 years ago, Masters and Johnson, using undocumented methodology, tested the sensitivity of the glans in men with and without foreskins and found no difference [14]. The absence of fine-touch receptors in the glans could explain their findings, as Masters and Johnson may have been measuring the wrong variable. Without knowing what was measured or how, these results constitute little more than anecdotal evidence. A study from Iowa in the late 1980s [15] found that young mothers (who had recently given birth to sons) preferred intercourse with a circumcised man; however, the importance of this study is compromised, as only 16.5% of the women surveyed had sexual experience with both circumcised and intact men. The study results may reflect the tendency of people to choose the familiar and shun the unfamiliar. In a survey conducted on the Internet, circumcised men were significantly more likely to use additional artificial lubricants during sexual activity (odds ratio, OR = 5.64, 95% CI = 3.65 - 8.71) [16].

The 12th century physician and rabbi Moses Maimonides advocated male circumcision for its ability to curb a man's sexual appetite [17]. Further, he implied that it could also affect a woman's sexuality, indicating that once a woman had taken a lover who was not circumcised, it was very hard for her to give him up. The impact of male circumcision on the sexual pleasure experienced by both males and females is largely unstudied. While the brain is often cited as the primary 'sexual' organ, what impact does surgical alteration of the male genitalia have for both partners? Based on anecdotal reports, a survey was developed to determine the effect of male circumcision on a woman's ability to achieve vaginal orgasm (both single and multiple), to maintain adequate vaginal secretions, to develop vaginal discomfort, to enjoy coitus and to develop an intimate relationship with her partner. This review presents the findings of a survey of women who have had sexual partners both with and without foreskins, and reports their experiences.


Women having sexual experience with both circumcised and anatomically complete partners were recruited through classified advertisements in magazines and an announcement in an anti-circumcision newletter. Respondents to the advertisements were mailed a survey to complete and return, the comments then compiled and the responses analysed statistically. The survey is continuing and this article reports the preliminary results.

Of the 284 surveys, 139 were completed and returned; no attempts were made to characterize the demographic details of those who did not respond. The women completing the surveys were aware that their responses and comments could later be published anonymously in a forthcoming book. The survey included 40 questions; the results were analysed for age, number of lifetime partners, preputial status of the most recent partner, preference for vaginal orgasms (as defined below) and their preference for a circumcised or intact penis. Multiple choice answers were assigned numeric values, i.e. 'increased', 'stayed about the same' and 'lessened' of 1,0, and -1 respectively. Likewise, questions with answers of 'mostly yes', 'mostly no', 'rarely' and 'never' were assigned values of 3, 2, 1 and 0.

The survey defined 'vaginal orgasm' as 'an orgasm that occurs during intercourse, brought about by your partner's penis and pelvic movements and body contact, along with your own body's pelvic movements, with no simultaneous stimulation of the clitoris by the hands'. Premature ejaculation was defined as the man 'usually (50 -100% of the time) has had his orgasm within 2 -3 minutes after insertion'. The survey included three sets of responses for the respondents to rate their sexual experiences with their circumcised and unaltered male partners; the questions and possible responses are listed in Appendix 1. Comparisons between responses are expressed as the OR and 95% CI.


CIRP Note: The results of this survey are somewhat obscurely stated. This survey surveyed 138 women. Of that group 20 (14.5%) preferred non-intact circumcised sexual partners while 118 or (85.5%) preferred intact non-circumcised sexual partners. This means that about 6 out of 7 women preferred intact non-circumcised partners while about 1 out of seven preferred non-intact circumcised partners.

Of the 139 surveys returned, one considered a man who was undergoing foreskin restoration as having a foreskin; this survey was excluded from analysis. Not all questions were answered by all respondents. Contradictory answers showed that not all respondents understood the questions; the responses and unanswered questions were excluded from the analysis. The demographic profile of the respondents is shown in Table 1.

Table 1 The demographics of the respondents
          Variable                               Mean/median number

          Mean (SD) age (years)                      37.3 (9.2)
          Number of partners;
          Mean (SD)                                  14.7 (11.2)
          Median (SD)
          Preferred vaginal orgasm                   71
        Preferred position for attaining 
           vaginal orgasm;
          woman on top                               54
          man on top                                 54
          rear entry                                  4
          no preference                               9

Comparisons of experiences with circumcised or intact males are shown in tables 2 and 3. With their circumcised partners, women were more likely not to have a vaginal orgasm (4.62, 3.69-5.80). Conversely, women were more likely to have a vaginal orgasm with an unaltered partner. Their circumcised partners were more likely to have premature ejaculation (1.82, 1.45-2.27). Women were also more likely to state that they had had vaginal discomfort with a circumcised partner either often (19.89, 5.98-66.22) or occasionally (7.00, 3.83-12.79) as opposed to rarely or never. More women reported that they never achieved orgasm with circumcised partners (2.25, 1.13-4.50) than with their unaltered partners. Also, they were more likely to report never having had a multiple orgasm with their circumcised partners (2.25, 1.13-4.50). They were also more likely to report never having had a multiple orgasm with their circumcised partners (2.22, 1.36-3.63). They were also more likely to report that vaginal secretions lessened as coitus progressed with their circumcised partners (16.75, 6.88-40.77).

During prolonged intercourse with their circumcised partners, women were less likely to 'really get into it' and more likely to 'want to get it over with' (23.32, 11.24-48.39). On the other hand, with their unaltered partners, the reverse was true, they were less likely to 'want to get it over with' and considerably more likely to 'really get into it.'

When the women were divided into those older or younger than 40 years, the older women were more likely to rate their frequency of orgasm as higher with an unaltered partner (Z=2.04, P=0.02). Women 29 years or younger were more likely to prefer orally induced orgasms (2.61, 1.14-5.97), while women over 40 years preferred vaginally induced orgasms more than those aged <29 years (3.00, 1.16-7.32). The older women also had more lifetime unaltered partners (Z=2.95, P=0.002). This may have reflected the decreased availability of unaltered men of similar age for the younger women.

When the women were divided into those with more or fewer than 10 lifetime partners, those with >10 were more likely to have orgasms with their circumcised partners than those with fewer partners, but still less frequent orgasms than they had with their unaltered partners. Women who preferred a circumcised partner overall were more likely to have had <10 partners (3.52, 0.92-13.50).

Table 2 Ratings of experiences with circumcised men compared with normal men (uncircumcised). All difference were significant at P<0.001
                                         Mean SD Rating                          
   Item                                  Circumcised       Intact         Z Value

   Number of partners                    10.36(11.21)      3.61(5.81)       6.16
   Vaginal fluid secretions*             -0.23(0.79)       0.60(0.58)      -9.47
   Vaginal discomfort+                    2.01(0.87)       0.85(0.83)      10.93 
   Likelihood of vaginal orgasm(%)       34.7(35.2)       60.6(36.2)        6.16         
   Orgasm frequency rating                1.68(1.13)       2.39(1.02       -5.39
   Multiple orgasm frequency rating      10.72(9.55)      14.85(10.46)     -3.36
   Duration of coitus (min)               
   Number of responses to:
   not irritable++                        5.99(4.73)       1.31(2.54)      10.04
   not distanced¶                         5.10(3.75)       0.84(1.11)      10.81  
   Positive postcoital feelings§          1.95(2.88)       5.01(2.88)      -9.05
   Overall rating (range -10 to +10)      1.81(6.17)       8.03(3.17)      10.33

*The responses were scored as 'increased' = 1, 'stayed about the same'= 0, 'lessened = -1.
+The responses were scored as 'mostly yes' = 3, 'mostly no' = 2, 'rarely' = 1, 'never' = 0.
++Positive responses from 14 possibilities
¶Positive responses from 13 possibilities
§Positive responses from 8 possibilities

When women who preferred vaginal orgasm were compared with those preferring orally or manually induced orgasm, the former rated unaltered men higher (Z=2.12, P=0.016), had more positive post-coital feelings (Set 3; Z=2.68, P=0.003) with their unaltered partners, and rated these men higher overall (Z=2.12, P=0.016). These women were more likely to prefer being on top during coitus to achieve vaginal orgasm (2.46, 1.21-4.98). They were also more likely to have an unaltered man as their most recent partner (1.74, 0.87-3.47).

The women who preferred circumcised partners (as elicited in one of three questions, n=20) were more likely to have had their first orgasm with a circumcised partner (8.38, 2.88-24.35) than those who preferred unaltered partners. Although these women preferred circumcised partners, they still found unaltered partners to evoke more vaginal fluid production, a lower vaginal discomfort rating and fewer complaints (Sets 1 and 2, Table 3) during intercourse than their circumcised partners. In women who preferred circumcised men, there was no difference in their comparison of circumcised and unaltered men other than overall rating and a higher rate of premature ejaculation in their unaltered partners (4.63, 2.36-9.07) These women had fewered unaltered partners (2.47 vs. 3.78, Z=-1.68, P=0.045), which suggests that their limited exposure to unaltered men may have been a consequence of 'premature ejaculation'. The inability to detect a difference in orgasm frequency, coital duration, coital complaints or satisfaction, and 'yet to formulate a preference', suggests that factors of conformity may be influential.

When women were grouped based on the preputial status of their most recent partner, women with unaltered partners had a higher rate of orgasms with them, at a mean (SEM) of 70 (31%)vs 56 (40%) (Z=2.28, P=0.01). They were more likely to rate circumcised partners lower (Z=-2.61, P0.0047) and unaltered partners higher (Z=2.83, P=0.002). When only women whose most recent partner was circumcised, the results were consistent with the results from the entire study population.


These results show clearly that women preferred vaginal intercourse with an anatomically complete penis over that with a circumcised penis; there may be many reasons for this. When the anatomically complete penis thrusts in the vagina, it does not slide, but rather glides on its own 'bedding' of movable skin, in much the same way that a turtle's neck glides in and out of the folder layers of skin surrounding it. The underlying corpus cavernosa and corpus spongiosum slide within the penile skin, while the skin juxtaposed agaist the vaginal wall moves very little. This sheath-within-a-sheath alignment allows penile movement, and vaginal and penile stimulation, with minimal friction or loss of secretions. When the penile shaft is withdrawn slightly from the vagina, the foreskin bunches up behind the corona in a manner that allows the tip of the foreskin which contains the highest density of fine-touch neuroreceptors in the penis [1] to contact the corona of the glans which has the highest concentration of fine-touch receptors on the glans [18]. This intense stimulation discourages the penile shaft from further withdrawal, explaining the short thrusting style that women noted in their unaltered partners. This juxtapostion of sensitive neuroreceptors is also seen in the clitoris and clitoral hood of the Rhesus monkey [19] and in the human clitoris [18].

Table 3 Comparison of responses for circumcised partners compared with normal partners
   Item                                       Odds ratio (95%CI)

   Set 1:
   Irritablity                                    9.39 (4.65-18.95)
   Unappreciated                                  9.06 (4.67-17.57)
   Sexually violated                              5.57 (2.80-11.10)
   Aggravated                                     7.51 (3.55-16.30)
   Out of sync                                   13.12 (6.17-27.90)
   Partner cared little about me                 10.05 (5.33-18.94) 
   Other than my vagina
      partner wouldn't know I was there          10.10 (4.57-22.30)
   'Bitchy'                                       4.16 (1.96-8.82)
   'Guilty'                                       4.52 (2.20-9.29)                                
   Having separate experiences                    8.67 (4.76-15.80)
   Thrusting out of sync                          7.31 (3.98-13.44)
   'I was a masturbating object'                  4.16 (2.31-7.33)
   Incomplete as a woman                          7.07 (3.03-16.51)
   Set 2:
   distanced                                     10.22 (4.62-22.58)
   my mind wanders                                7.22 (3.92-13.26)
   he's working awfully hard                     34.19 (13.15-88.89)
   he's working hard for an orgasm                7.68 (3.88-15.21)
   disinterested                                 23.10 (8.07-66.13)
   my vagina doesn't like this                    7.68 (3.88-15.21)
   pumping until it hurts me                     17.62 (7.27-42.72)
   we're having separate experiences              4.08 (2.07-8.05)
   wide awake 'on alert'                          2.87 (1.28-6.46)
   frustrated                                    10.15 (3.86-26.76)
   discomfort                                    11.41 (4.95-26.31)
   discontent                                     8.45 (3.81-18.75)
   Set 3
   relaxed                                        0.19 (0.11-0.32)
   peace                                          0.22 (0.13-0.38)
   warmth                                         0.19 (0.11-0.38)
   mutual satisfaction                            0.18 (0.11-0.31)
   complete as a woman                            0.25 (0.15-0.42)
   afterglow                                      0.24 (0.12-0.34)
   'gee that was great'                           0.25 (0.15-0.42)
   'what a lover'                                 0.10 (0.05-0.19)

As stated, circumcision removes 33-50% of the penile skin. With this skin missing, there is less tissue for the swollen corpus cavernosa and corpus spongiosum to slide against. Instead the skin of the circumcised penis rubs against the vaginal wall, increasing friction, abrasion and the need for artificial lubrication. Because of the tight penile skin, the corona of the glans, which is configured as a one-way valve pulls the vaginal secretions from the vagina when the shaft is withdrawn. Unlike the anatomically complete penis, there is no sensory input to limit withdrawal. Because the vast majority of the fine-touch receptors are missing from the circumcised penis, their role as ejaculatory triggers is also absent. The loss of these receptors creates an imbalance between the deep pressure sensed in the glans, corpus cavernosa and corpus spongiosum and the missing fine touch [20]. To compensate for the imbalance, to achieve orgasm, the circumcised man must stimulate the glans, corpus cavernosa, and corpus spongiosum by thrusting deeply in and out of the vagina. As a result, coitus with a circumcised partner reduces the amount of vaginal secretions in the vagina, and decreases continual stimulation of the mons pubis and clitoris.

Respondents overwhelmingly concurred that the mechanics of coitus was different for the two groups of men. Of the women, 73% reported that circumcised men tend to thrust harder and deeper, using elongated strokes, while unaltered men by comparison tended to thrust more gently, to have shorter thrusts, and tended to be in contact with the mons pubis and clitoris more, according to 71% of the respondents.

The responses in Sets 1, 2 and 3 (Table 3) are more a measure of intimacy than physical differences in thrusting patterns. While some of the respondents commented that they thought the differences were in the men, not the type of penis, the consistency with which women felt more intimate with their unaltered partners is striking. Some respondents reported that the foreskin improved their sexual satisfaction, which improved the quality of the relationship. In addition to the observations of Maimonides in the 12th century, one survey found that marital longevity was increased when the male had a foreskin [21]. Why the presence of the foreskin enhances intimacy needs further exploration.

When this information is compared with that collected by Laumann et al. [22] in the same period the women in the present survey had more lifetime partners (a median of 2 and 10 respectively). When the women with one partner in the former study were excluded (because having sexual experience with both a circumcised partner and an unaltered partner necessitates at least two partners), the women in the present survey were more likely to have had >4 partners (7.26, 4.46-11.83), >10 partners (5.83, 4.02-8.48), and >20 partners (4.16, 2.48-6.98). The high incidence of lifetime partners is a consequence of the inclusion criteria for the present study. If a woman were to randomly find partners among American sexually active males, 70-90% of whom are circumcised, 3-7 partners would be needed for a woman to have an even chance of having had both a circumcised and unaltered male partner. However, women do not procure their sexual partners randomly. Most sexual partners are found within a fairly close social network [22]. Likewise, circumcision does not occur randomly; within some of these networks, circumcision rates can approach 100%. For a woman to have a sexual partner with an anatomically complete penis involves having partners outside her immediate social network, which is uncommon. For these reasons, a median number of partners of 10 is not unexpected.

While this study shows clearly that women prefer the surgically unaltered penis, it does have shortcomings. The respondents were not selected randomly and several were recruited using a newsletter of an anti-circumcision organization. However, when the responses from respondents gathered from the mailing list of the anti-circumcision organization were compared with those of the other respondents, there were no differences. This selection bias may be compensated to the degree that each respondent acted as her own control, using her subjective criteria on both types of penises. The findings cannot be completely attributed to selection bias.

In asking women to evaluate their experience based on all of their lifetime sexual partners, there may be an element of recall bias, but the circumcision status of the most current sexual partner did not alter the findings. Because the surveys were not completed 'face-to-face', not all questions were completed by all respondents. There were also several other questions that were misunderstood by the respondents, but these were only a very small proportion of the respondents. Women who preferred vaginal orgasms had a strong preference for unaltered partners. Women who preferred circumcised partners were half as likely to prefer vaginal orgasms, but there were too few women preferring circumcised partners to make any valid statistical claims. This would suggest that the foreskin makes the most positive impact during vaginal intercourse.

Another weakness of the survey is its preoccupation with vaginal intercourse. Several respondents commented that the foreskin also makes a difference in foreplay and fellatio. Although this was not directly measured, some respondents commented that unaltered men appeared to enjoy coitus more than their circumcised couterparts. The lower rates of fellatio, masturbation and anal sex among unaltered men [5] suggests that unaltered men may find coitus more satisfying [20].

Clearly, the anatomically complete penis offers a more rewarding experience for the female partner during coitus. While this study has some obvious methodological flaws, all the differences cannot be attributed to them. It is important that these findings be confirmed by a prospective study of a randomly selected population of women with experience with both types of men. It would be useful to examine the role of the foreskin in other sexual activities. Because these findings are of interest, the negative effect of circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner needs to be part of any discussions providing 'informed consent' before circumcision.


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K. O'Hara, BS.
J. O'Hara.
Correspondence: Kristen O'Hara, PO Box 764, Hudson, Ma, USA 01749

Appendix 1

Questions asked in the survey to assess the level of intimacy.

Set 1

During or after most intercourse, have you noticed yourself having any of the feelings listed below?

sexually violated
emotionally aggravated
a general 'out of sync' feeling
he cared very little about my sexual satisfaction
except for my vagina, he didn't seem to know I was there
bitchy, argumentative
we had two separate experiences (no feeling of sexual unison)
our thrusting rhythms were 'out of sync'
felt like I was being used as a masturbating object
incomplete as a woman
I'm glad it's over
None of the above

Set 2

During intercourse with most (circumcised/natural) men, do any of these thoughts generally cross your mind?

he seems to be distanced from what I'm feeling
my mind wanders to other things
he seems to be working too hard at it
he seems to concentrated on his sexual needs more than mine
he seems to have to work too hard at achieving his orgasm
I seem to be becoming disinterested
my vagina doesn't seem to be enjoying this
sometimes when he really gets pumping, I'm afraid it's going to start hurting me
we seem to be engaging in two separate experiences
I feel wide awake, 'on alert'
a general feeling of discontentment
None of the above

Set 3

How would you describe your general feelings after having sex with most (circumcised/natural) men?

a feeling of relaxation
a feeling of being at peace with myself and my surroundings
a sense of human warmth and closeness to my partner
a sense of completeness and wholeness as a woman
a wonderful positive-feeling afterglow
'gee, that was really great'
'what a lover'
None of the above


  • O'Hara K, O'Hara J. The effect of male circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner. BJU Int 1999;83 Suppl 1:79-84.

(File revised 12 January 2007)








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